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Transcript: Greg Davis, CIO Vanguard

Barry Ritholtz

And you had to take on significant duration risk and credit risk just to earn a couple percentage points. And when you think about translating the S&P 500 PE to an implied equity risk premium by looking at the 10 year treasury yield, you’re 200 basis points below what it’s been for the last 10 years.

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Transcript: Ted Seides

Barry Ritholtz

The challenge is unlike the S&P 500, hedge funds sit in a box that has underlying credit risk from prime brokers. So the credit markets froze. So you go back a couple of years and you could say, “Well, what return is available buying a treasury?” SEIDES: No, you’re right about the securities.

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Transcript: Rick Rieder

Barry Ritholtz

But there are so many tools at your disposal, and let alone how much duration you’re taking, how much interest, how much credit risk you’re taking, illiquidity, et cetera. And how do you make the decision, I’m not comfortable with this credit risk relative to the return it’s going to throw off?

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Transcript: Sean Dobson, Amherst Holdings

Barry Ritholtz

And up until that moment in time, we didn’t spend a lot of time on credit risk in mortgages. We didn’t really have to model credit risk because that was, that risk was taken by the agencies. But in these private labels, you had the, the market was taking the credit risk.