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I like to think that, you know, in core wealth management, Morgan Stanley, and, and you know, where we’ve come, you know, first under James Gorman and now hopefully under, under Ted Pick’s leadership is really, you know, differentiating us and allowing us to pull away from the pack, at least in wealth management. Remember that.
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Tell us a little bit about your progression over 27 years through the leadership ranks at Vanguard. And there was a, a calmness coming from Bill as the CEO, but also the rest of the leadership team and providing assurance to our crew. And you’re right, it’s the Women’s Initiative for Leadership Success.
Sander Gerber : Well, actually I was good at math. And I understood from that that well-meaning people can still muck things up because they don’t have an appropriate guide frame or appropriate leadership, or they’re not, so like little things can take projects astray. What, what’s keeping you entertained?
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And so it’s one of these things that math works. And again, really kudos to Paul for his leadership in doing that. Tell us about Math for America that seeks to improve math education in US public schools. BORISH: So Robinhood Foundation, Math for America, those are the two not-for-profit boards that I sit on.
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I’m good at math and science and you know, I always had an idea what go into business, but I felt that electrical engineering would be a good foundation. You know, I, it always, I I see different numbers all the time, so it’s always kinda like, who’s math if you will? What’s been been keeping you entertained?
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You serve as the National Leadership Council of Communities in Schools, and the Educational Foundation in New York. RIEDER: So I mean, I’m less involved than I was on the national leadership. How are we doing in literacy versus math versus science? You mentioned, 3 Rs, reading, writing, arithmetic. Where are we?
I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. So I found myself getting kind of bored with my math problem sets, and then I could shift to philosophy and then go back and forth. And to his credit, and this is a, a good display of leadership Yes. What was the career plan? 00:01:48 [Savita Subramanian] Yeah.
I mean, you’re talking about, I don’t, I could do the math, it’s like a 10,000% return in like three weeks. HOFFMAN: And he’s talking about, you know, the seat back entertainment should be a streaming platform, right? And that’s sort of the math. What’s keeping you entertained?
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